Added: Dec 2, 2008

From: TOMMYfromtheBRONX

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all christians say yes but most disagree disagree on it

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biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: I am very open to hearing the objections people have to the Bible. But I am also open to Apologists and Commentators and people who love and study the Bible. And yes I weigh the questions and answers on both sides. And I'm still very confident in the truthfulness of the scriptures. You should give an example of a clear contradiction so I know exactly what your talking about.

ElusiveAnole Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Shall we continue this via PM so we have the space to fully discuss? I'm fine with whatever you prefer. I'll keep it in this comment section if you would like.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - If you can give me a clear Biblical contradiction in one paragraph, I should be able to respond in one or two paragraphs. Also, it goes along with the topic of the video, so let's give it shot here.

ElusiveAnole Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Here are a few to start; respond at your own pace:Are there any unforgiveable sins?YES - Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10NO - Acts 13:39Does God tempt anyone?NO - James 1:13YES - Genesis 22:1, 2 Samuel 24:1Can a divorced woman remarry?YES - Deuteronomy 24:1-2NO - Luke 16:18Is Yahweh a god of war or peace?WAR - Exodus 15:3, Psalm 18:34, Psalm 144:1PEACE - Romans 15:33, 1 Cor. 14:33, 2 Thess. 3:16, Hebrew 13:20

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: Ok, number 1, clearly the Bible says there is such thing as unforgivable sin. Now does Acts 13:39 contradict this? No. Quote:"And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." "All that believe" qualifies who is justified. Someone who has committed the unpardonable is not capable of believing. They are reprobate. Therefore "all things (sins) applies to all the believer's sins, not every sin in existence.

hmoobxi0ng Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - "And how would you explain that god supposedly allows satan to do bad things to good people?" good point, but the bible says god does not control anyone including demons (not exact of my words but just making it more understandable). god only help remove them, god does not destroy anyone or anything, thats why after life your still alive. but in a spiritual world.

slipcurve Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - hmoobxin0ngThank you for you answer. Unfortunately your answer doesn't make sense to me. I mean I get the "god is not a destroyer" argument.. no problem there. But could you explain how god stopping satan from doing bad things to good people is destroying? Staying satans hand would be destroying? Destroying of what? Satans effort? I sincerely don't get it now.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: Ok number2. Part 1 James teaches that God does tempt people to do evil--sin. Did God tempt Abraham and David to do evil? No, For Abraham, sacrificing his innocent son would not have been evil because God (who is Good) told him to do it. Just as God sacrificed his Son Jesus which was not an evil thing either. It really brings home the high cost of our salvation and why there is eternal damnation for those who reject it.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Correction: James teaches that God does NOT teach people to do evil.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: Number 2 part 2: It is clear in the story of David that he was already tempted by Satan (1 Chronicles 12:1) to have pride in his army, to glory and trust in his army rather than trusting in the Lord. This is why God was angry 2 Samuel 24:1. There is nothing evil in counting an army. So for God to "tempt" David to number an army is not tempting him to sin, the sin was already committed. But it made David realize the evil of trusting his army for victory rather than trusting in God.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: Number 3: Can a divorce woman remarry? Deuteronomy 24:1-3 does not bestow divine or even implied approval. The syntax of Versed 1-3 constitutes a protasis (conditional clause) whose apodosis (or resolution)is found in verse 4: which explicitly prohibited husbands from returning to a wife whom he had divorced after she got married a second time. So there is no contradiction here. Verses 1-3 states what happens in society, but what is even worse and is prohibited is in verse 4.

biblethink Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - ElusiveAnole: A God of Peace or War? It would only be a contradiction if one of these verses claimed that God was exclusively one way or the other. The Bible is consistent in it's message that God gives peace to those who belong to him; And he will destroy his enemies--those who rebel or fail to surrender. So God is both a God of Peace and a God of War. Since the fall of Lucifer, evil has organized to fight against God. In the end they will ultimately and miserably fail.

derInsider1985 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Hi Tommy, Let me explain the main Problem. Your Question is a good question, and i understand your Problem with it. Actually, I'm a Christian. So i believe that the bible is perfect or true (call it however you want). I believe that the bible was written perfect. The point is, that we human beings are NOT perfect. That's the reason why different christians argue with eachother. It's a really simple Problem, but a hard one to handle it. I hope I could help you a little bit!God bless

derInsider1985 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Let me add one more statement:It really looks crazy, i know that. The important think to note: The only important thing is, to understand the meanings of the gospel. to understand what is the POINT of it. To see Jesus died for our sins, and offers eternal live if we are ready to take this gift and let Jesus be our personal saviour. (Sorry if i'm not writing correctly, i'm not a english speaking person) The most of the time People are arguing about stuff, which is not essential. Greetings

derInsider1985 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - and one more *lol*:But it is important to talk about THE ESSENTIAL things... of course, this can't work perfect, cause WE ARE NOT perfect.. do you understand what i want to tell you?Thanks for reading

derInsider1985 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - and one last comment for the moment:So the WORD itself is the ultimate Authority and the one and the last PERFECT authority... so it is essential to read it, if you want to understand the truth... preachers are sinners as everybody else is. So the only perfect authority is the word itself... and now i'll stop talking, before it goes to far and i never stop LOL

derInsider1985 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - and one more for those people who say "it's a lame excuse". It's not, it's simply what we are, Romans 3 Vers 23 says that... For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God... the POINT: Nobody is perfect (like we say so often *gg*)

VenomFangX Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Hey Tommy. Just because people disagree on interpretations does not mean the book itself is flawed; I once thought a girl was really into me, but it turns out she wasn't. My interpretation was flawed, but she wasn't (she was really pretty, lol). Christians who have the Holy Spirit can properly interpret The Bible by the help of God, according to the promise of scripture that the Holy Spirit will lead Christians into ALL truth. John 16:13.

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wellcomeinplease Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Dude, if you want to understand the Bible and try to accept the idea of God, than you have to accept the idea of Satan too.You gotta keep in mind that there's a war happening in here&most are not aware of it.But that's why you should ask for help from the One who can give it..

IDareToSpeak Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - The Bible its not perfect...first of all, whats your definition of perfect? I think the only thing perfect is God itself. Now, I think the New Testament is pretty close to perfection, Jesus is pretty clear on: love your enemies, love each other, forgive, sacrifice, sharing, helping those in need. Now, some people like to bend things, not only the Bible or Christianity but common morality around, thats not the Bibles fault.

smokybrick Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - If the sign says (stop) try getting a lawyer to interpret it:) In context the Greek is fairly clear on basic Christian doctrine. However for me it is no more clear than a decent translation unless you are a Greek scholar, and they still debate :) No doubt people will debate over some details and it can be confusing. Things like Jesus being Lord and savior are not debatable unless someone just wants to debate. This could bring us back to a stop sign meaning go. I need a lawyer :) Take care.

TheAgnosticAspie Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Thats because the bible, is NOT the innerant word of God, don't be fooled by the arrogant christians who think they know what they are talking about.They like to make the excuse that a person cannot understand the bible unless they have the holy spirit which is a cop out!The sooner people realize it is not a book divinely inspired by God the sooner we as humans beings can get back to normality.

TheAgnosticAspie Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - This is one of the main reasons their are so many different sects and denominations of Christianity.and is also one of the reasons why non-denominational christianity is imo so dangerous because any born again can interpret and justify anything in the bible whether it be for good or evil.The bible had been constantly changed and edited by corrupt power hungry clergymen in order to subjigate the people.

DarkReaperSPN Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - I can't speak for other christains or people who believe in the bible, but I believe in the bible (idk if I believe in all of it cuzz I have'nt read all of it and it's likely it's been changed over the years) but I would never say it's a perfect book cuzz I don't really believe anyone or anything can be perfect.